Minutes for Historic Board on October 10, 2006, 06:00 PM
LOWELL HISTORIC BOARD
PUBLIC
HEARING
October 10, 2006 at 6:00 p.m.
MEMBERS
PRESENT OTHERS
PRESENT
Reynold
Ilg, Chairman Mehmed
Ali, Self
Peter
Aucella Sean
Devan, College Street LLC
J.
Matthew Coggins Mark
E. Goldman, Self
Rachel
Edlund Kathleen
Heck, RCAB
David
Gray Brian
McGowan, TMI Properties
Martha
Mayo Sarah
Stebulis, Assistant Administrator
Wendy
Pearl (left at 6:35 p.m.) Stephen
Stowell, Administrator
1. PUBLIC
HEARINGS
A. DLHD-07-20: 27 Jackson Street – Hamilton Mfg. Co.
The former Hamilton Mfg. Co. Mill No. 7, built 1911
and 1919. Application for an Historic
Permit for exterior rehabilitation and associated site improvements.
The Administrator stated that due to the
applicant’s inability to provide final plans due to internal conflicts, College
Street has requested that the Public Hearing be rescheduled for November,
pending revision of final plans.
B. DLHD-07-21: 725-741 Merrimack Street
The Romanesque style former St. Jean Baptiste/Nuestra Senora del Carmen church, built 1889-1896, and associated structures. Application for a Certificate of Nonapplicability for the removal of selected stained glass and exterior crosses.
The Chairman read the
published Public Hearing Notice and declared the Hearing open to those wishing
to speak in favor of the application.
The Chairman recognized
Kathleen Heck representing the Archdiocese of Boston. She stated that the church currently contains stained glass
windows with highly religious iconography and they have tried to distinguish
between those and windows which can be considered decorative and remain in the
building.
The Chairman stated that
photographs have been submitted which includes those windows which are proposed
to be removed and those that will remain.
Ms. Mayo asked how many windows they are proposing
to remove. Ms. Heck stated that there
are approximately 49 windows to be removed.
She also gave further explanation of what they are considering one
window in this circumstance, as stained glass tend to be comprised of numerous
windows.
The Chairman asked how many
windows are currently in the building, by the standards she just referred
to. Ms. Heck stated that there are
approximately 200. The Chairman stated
that of the 200, they are proposing to remove 49. Ms. Heck stated that was correct.
Ms. Mayo asked for further
clarification of how they are counting windows, by referring to the photograph
of the Holy Family. Ms. Heck explained
that that window is considered three windows.
Having asked aloud 2 more
times if anyone else wished to speak on behalf of the proponents and hearing no
one, the Chairman declared the Hearing closed to proponents and opened the
Hearing to those who wished to speak in opposition.
Mehmed Ali introduced
himself and stated that the windows can be seen from the exterior and he wanted
the opportunity to voice his opposition for their removal, as it will greatly
impact the character of the building.
Having asked aloud 2 more times and hearing no one, the Chairman declared the Hearing closed to opponents and opened the Hearing to comments or question from Board members and the staff.
Mr. Coggins asked if there were pictures of the exterior crosses to be removed. The Administrator stated that there are pictures of the crosses in their packets, although one was missed and is also slated to be removed.
Mr. Aucella asked how many crosses there were. The Administrator stated that there are five crosses which would be removed.
The Chairman asked if the crosses were significant to the Catholic religion. Ms. Heck confirmed that they were and that the Archdiocese never leaves a cross behind on building. She stated that they do a process called “relegating the building for profane use” which comes from their belief that the building could never be used for a greater purpose than the Mass. She stated that the crosses which will be removed from the roof will be done by a technician skilled in their removal and the proper treatment and capping to the areas from where the cross is removed. She added that select crosses which are carved into the stone on the building will not be removed due to damage it will cause to the structure.
The Chairman asked about the design on the front cross at the top of the building. Ms. Heck stated that was the Eucharist. The Chairman asked if that symbol is unique to the Catholic Church. Ms. Heck confirmed that it was and that the Eucharist is a highly religious symbol.
Mr. Aucella stated that when the Archdiocese began closing churches, it was indicated early on that they would remove artifacts of a religious nature, including alters, crosses and stained glass, prior to the building being reused for another purpose. He stated that there was no scenario under which the building would be used for religious purposes and that there is currently a pending agreement with a developer to use the building for housing. As such, he stated that natural light will be needed in the building to meet the building code.
Mr. Aucella stated that he was surprised when he has toured the building’s exterior, that he did find it difficult to see the stained glass through the protective coverings in place, although he does stand by the fact that he would still consider windows exterior features and thus their removal must be approved by the Board. He stated that he felt the view from the exterior would be very similar once the stained glass is removed and that once the building begins to be redeveloped, many of those areas would have had to be addressed anyway for natural light issues. He stated that the removal of these stained glass windows is not unexpected or unreasonable to him and appropriate to the reuse of the building.
Mr. Aucella stated that he feels comfortable with this proposal in the interest of the redevelopment of the building. He stated that there is currently a purchase and sale agreement on the property, but it is the policy of the Archdiocese that the building cannot be sold until the religious iconography is removed.
The Chairman stated the he felt the preservation of this building is a balancing act between the Archdiocese wanting to protect its religious iconography in a building which will no longer be used for its intended purpose and the Historic Board to preserve the character of the building in the community. He stated that he applauded the Archdiocese for their presentation which he felt was very reasonable in bringing both parties together to achieve their separate goals.
Ms. Edlund stated that she does not share the same sentiments as the Board members who have just spoken. She stated that the building has a sense of place in Lowell and that the removal of the windows will take away the character of the building. She stated that the building was built in a Gothic Revival style, which is expressed in the stained glass, as well as other features of the building. She stated that the removal of these windows will defame the building and she is not supportive of this presentation. Ms. Edlund stated that although she is supportive of the reuse of the building, she feels the removal of the stained glass is not something that should be encouraged.
Mr. Coggins asked if the building was sold as it was today, with the stained glass intact, for a residential purpose, wouldn’t there be an issue of natural light which could lead to the eminent removal of stained glass windows.
Ms. Edlund stated that there are other ways to provide natural light. Mr. Coggins asked what they might be. Ms. Edlund stated that he is speaking on the assumption that the building will be for residential use. Mr. Coggins stated that was true, but that aside, he felt they could run into the scenario in which all of the windows will have to be removed to meet building codes for natural light, and then we are back at square one.
Mr. Aucella stated that in light of the building currently having a purchase and sale agreement for residential, it is appropriate to address these issues. He also stated that whatever the future use may be, he did not feel that there is a compelling need to retain the selected windows.
Mr. Gray asked how long the building has been vacant. Ms. Heck stated that the last mass was held in spring of 2004, so it has been vacant over two years. Mr. Gray stated that for that period of time being vacant, he feels that it is good that the Board be open to working with the involved parties to reuse the building, rather than have it remain vacant for more years and possibly fall into disrepair.
Mr. Aucella stated that the Board has no control over use but it seems clear that it will no longer be used for religious purposes.
The Chairman asked if the Archdiocese has a policy that a property cannot be sold to another religious denomination. Ms. Heck stated that it is possible, but artifacts will be removed if the beliefs are not shared between the Catholic religion and the denomination occupying the building.
Mr. Aucella asked if the reason they are not removing more stained glass was financial. Ms. Heck stated that it was not and they have removed more in other buildings, but generally decorative stained glass is left in the buildings, as it can be still viewed as artwork and add character to the building.
Ms. Edlund stated that was a matter of interpretation, as some of the windows remaining do have religious iconography. Ms. Heck stated that in matters where symbolism does have more than one meaning and when an average person looking at a window would see a dove, rather than the Holy Spirit, they must draw a line and symbols such as this can remain.
Motion by Mr. Aucella, seconded by
Mr. Gray, to:
vote to issue a Certificate of Nonapplicability for the removal of selected stained glass and exterior crosses at the former St. Jean Baptiste/Nuestra Senora del Carmen church at 725-741 Merrimack Street in the Downtown Lowell Historic District, conditional upon the following:
· Final documentation in the form of datasheets and photographs of glass proposed for removal to be submitted prior to work being undertaken; and
· Submittal, review, and approval of any scope of work alterations and final details for the project including, but not limited to, treatment of window openings where stained glass is proposed for removal and method of securing roof parapet areas where crosses are proposed for removal.
Removal of glass identified to be of a religious nature determined non-applicable under the Board’s statute.
Approved, 5-2.
The Public Hearings were closed at 6:25 p.m.
LOWELL HISTORIC BOARD
REGULAR
MEETING
October 10, 2006 at 6:00 p.m.
MEMBERS
PRESENT OTHERS
PRESENT
Reynold
Ilg, Chairman Sean
Devan, College Street LLC
Peter
Aucella Mark
E. Goldman, Self
J.
Matthew Coggins Sarah
Stebulis, Assistant Administrator
Rachel Edlund Stephen
Stowell, Administrator
David
Gray
Martha
Mayo
Wendy Pearl (left at 6:35 p.m.)
2. MINUTES
Approval of the Minutes of September 11, 2006.
Motion by Mr. Aucella, seconded by Ms. Mayo, to:
approve the Minutes of September 11, 2006 as presented.
Unanimously
approved, 7-0.
3. OTHER
BUSINESS
A.
College Street (305 Dutton Street and 27 Jackson Street) Update
The Chairman read the update provided by the
Administrator in the meeting notes. The
Chairman recognized Sean Devan, representing College Street LLC. Mr. Devan stated the he and Vice President
Carlos Texidor will be the point people for 305 Dutton Street and 27 Jackson
Street, in light of Mr. Sullivan’s recent termination.
Mr. Devan stated that he has been in constant
contact with the Administrator regarding all details related to both
projects. He stated that he would
continue to do this and work closely with The Administrator to correct the
issues that he has inherited. He stated
that he has obtained samples of railings, granite and window guards for the
Administrator to view.
Ms. Edlund asked about the site plan. Mr. Devan stated that his office is
currently working on the site plan and he was still waiting on lighting
details. He stated that he didn’t want
to present it to the Board incomplete, but that it is being addressed. The Administrator clarified that they were
talking about the site plan at 27 Jackson Street.
The Administrator explained the recent confusion
regarding the ramping, which was originally set to be built on the interior,
now appears that it will be an exterior feature, and thus must be reviewed
before coming to the Board. Upon this
discovery, it was decided to postpone the Public Hearing until the November 13
meeting.
The Administrator added that in talking the Mr.
Sullivan previously, and more recently Mr. Texidor, there are also site plans
for 305 Dutton Street which will be transmitted soon.
Mr. Aucella stated that Mr. Devan would not be
making any progress regarding site plan, railings, and entry way until after
the Board discusses such plans at the November meeting. Mr. Devan stated that was correct.
The Administrator stated that a project of the type
and size does not typically play out the way this one is. The Chairman agreed and stated that the
Board is not new to the progress or issues historic buildings can pose in reuse.
The Chairman stated that this is the third meeting
in which representatives from College Street have addressed the Board and they
are hearing the same excuses. He stated
that the Board expects to see major progress on the plans for both 305 Dutton Street
and 27 Jackson Street by the November 13 meeting.
Mr. Aucella stated that College Street is going to
need to get the Board’s approval soon to continue their progress. He asked when they are going to start
marketing the building. Mr. Devan
stated they would begin marketing in 2-3 months.
Mr. Aucella asked about the plans for 305 Dutton
Street, specifically the infill on the Dutton Street elevation. The Administrator stated that with the
recent transfer from Mr. Sullivan to Mr. Texidor, the plans for that are still
in the shuffle and he expects them next week.
Mr. Aucella stated that he continues to be concerned specifically about
that as it is the main elevation of the building, and now with College Street
putting out rental banners on an unfinished building, he feels it is sending a mixed
message.
Mr. Coggins asked Mr. Devan how long he has been
with College Street. Mr. Devan stated
that they have employed him for one year.
Mr. Coggins stated the Board does have a great deal of frustration with
this project which is three years old, and that the Board was promised
satisfaction which they have not received.
He stated that while he understood he is coming into someone else’s
problem, that the Board is quickly loosing patience and this back and forth is
becoming ridiculous and it is insulting to the Board and the community. He stated that he hopes Mr. Devan will take
the opportunity coming into this problem to be the one to take control and make
this right.
The Chairman asked Mr. Devan to pass the message up
the chain of command at College Street that the Board continues to be unhappy
and the projects are no further ahead now than they were three months ago.
B. 419
& 509 Market Street
Mr. Gray spoke on behalf of Alan Kazanjian and
stated that structural problems have been found in the buildings at 419 and 509
Market Street. He stated that a
structural engineer located the problems 2-3 weeks ago and he will provide the
Board with the structural report at the next meeting. He stated that they are continuing to work on the project, but it
also must be economically feasible for them to continue.
Ms. Mayo stated that she didn’t know where they
stood with the property. Mr. Gray
stated that they were hoping to have residential on the upper floors and
possibly a function hall and two storefronts on the first floor facing Market
Street.
Mr. Aucella asked if he has a schematic design of
the buildings. Mr. Gray stated that
they do and work has been done with design review since the Board first viewed
it.
Mr. Aucella asked if the brick building would remain
and be rehabbed and the white wooden building would be torn down. Mr. Gray confirmed that was true.
C. Enforcement/Violations Update
The Administrator stated
that he met with Nick Petrakos of the Blue Shamrock last week to discuss
signage and painting and that Mr. Petrakos is very eager to work with us to
come into compliance. Ms. Edlund asked
if it was a typo that the colors from 1995 were approved, as stated in the
meeting notes. The Administrator stated
that it was not and he was provided with the original colors from when the
building was rehabbed.
The Administrator stated
that he has been in contact with Mr. Patel, the owner of 35 Market Street. Mr. Patel is working with Gene Soucy at Mill
City Iron on a design for a canopy, similar to that found on the Mollers
Building.
Mr. Aucella asked about the
roll down doors on the Labor Ready building.
The Administrator stated that he would contact the building owner about
these, as they are no longer in use.
The Administrator stated
that staff plans to send out friendly follow-up letters to some businesses to
schedule site visits and address outstanding issues.
The Administrator stated
that he has had two calls into the management of the Sirk Building about the
fencing which needs to be repaired.
Mr. Aucella stated that the
nail salon located in that building has also been expanding their signage at
the back of the building. The
Administrator stated staff would check on it and send a Request for Compliance.
Ms. Mayo asked about Moe’s
on Market Street. The Administrator
stated that the building owner did do the minimum maintenance required, but
that staff would go out and look for any additional maintenance issues that
need to be addressed.
The Chairman asked what the
status was with the screen wall damage at Saab’s parking lot on Central
Street. The Administrator stated that
Dennis Cronin and Tim Kelleher were stuck with this problem in the transfer of
the property from Mr. Saab. Mr. Coggins
asked that they be given a little more time to make the repairs, as they have
been easy to work with in the past and have always gone above and beyond what
they have to do, but did ask that the Administrator give the owners a phone
call to determine what the time line was on its repair.
Mr. Coggins asked if they
could put bollards in the parking lot to prevent people from hitting the
fence. The Administrator stated they
could do that, or even install a low guardrail or wheel stops. He added that the current damage was
actually caused by someone hitting the wall from the street and not the parking
lot.
Mr. Aucella asked about roof
top decks on Paige Street on John DeAngelis’ building. The Administrator stated that the roof deck
on McCartin building also needs to be addressed. He stated that he would call Mr. Deangelis about both of these
decks.
D. Administrator’s Report
The Chairman stated that the
City Manager has been invited to the Board’s next meeting on November 13, 2006
in the Arthur Hammer Conference Room in the JFK Civic Center.
Mr. Aucella asked if there
was an update regarding 26-28 Lawrence Street.
The Administrator stated that he had to check back with Larry Bevere to
find out the status.
The Administrator stated
that he has the contracts for the MHC Survey and Planning Grant and will be
picking a consultant by the end of the week.
The Administrator said that he and the Assistant Administrator will be attending the National Trust for Historic Preservation’s annual National Preservation Conference in Pittsburgh, October 31-November 4. Depending upon funding from Wellesley College, intern Kim Zunino may also be able to attend.
E. Board Member Items/Inquiries
Ms. Edlund stated that she attended the Traditional Building Conference in Washington, DC. She stated that it focused on design and infill in historic neighborhoods, and that the architectural historians whom she spoke with are all very aware of Lowell and the preservation that has taken place here. She stated that Lowell was very lucky to have the Historic Board that they do, as each member here brings a specific knowledge which aids in the decision making process, something other communities can lack.
She stated that in learning more and talking to colleagues about the tax act standards and guidelines, she had the sense that their will be a positive shift which will be encouraging for new tax act projects, making the guidelines a little more reality based and attainable.
There was a brief discussion of the issues revolving the buildings at the Lawrence Mills on Perkins Street. Mr. Coggins asked if their was fire suppression systems in the two buildings. The Administrator stated that he did not know. Mr. Coggins stated that is something they should find out, in protecting the building with minimum maintenance while legal issues surrounding the site are being resolved.
4. ADJOURNMENT
Motion
by Mr. Coggins, seconded by Ms. Mayo, to:
adjourn the meeting at 7:00 p.m.
Unanimously approved, 6-0.
__________________________________
Sarah U. Stebulis, Assistant Administrator
Stephen R. Stowell, Administrator
Lowell
Historic Board
